Avital Ronell / Badiou catches her on betraying the master

As told 3

“'Okay, your master teacher is Derrida. Where did you break with Derrida?'”
~1:22:00 Hegel in Athens: what would Hegel have said about our predicament?2015-12-04 · 2:01:07

“okay where is your betrayal of Derrida and then it was incredible how this simple remark”
34:44 The Interaction with the Other in Hegel2009 · 2:07:30

“Badiou ruined the show he just asked her okay where is your betrayal of Derrida”
33:49 Slavoj Žižek — On G.W.F. Hegel, Lecture 3 [Remaster]2009-08 · 2:42:02

What it carries

one story, many jobs: the ideas this anecdote is deployed to argue, one tally mark per use (an idea page shows the same relation from the other end, as its shelf of stories)

contents · one story, 3 jobsuses

il n'y a pas de métalangage ×1 concrete universality ×1 comical moment (Hegel) ×1

Its cast and sources

populated by

Italo Calvino2 Julian Jaynes2 Marlon Brando2 Jim Carrey2 George Balanchine2 Don Giovanni1 Lewis Mumford1 Ptolemy1

alongside works

Theme of the Traitor and Hero2 Spider's Stratagem2 The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind2 120 Days of Sodom2 General della Rovere2 Once Upon a Time in America2 A King Listens1 Before the Revolution (Prima della rivoluzione)1

Told together with

40% General della Rovere (Rossellini) 2 shared talks 40% Jim Carrey's The Mask, mask as true self 2 shared talks 33% Don Giovanni and the Stone Guest 2 shared talks 29% Zeuxis and Parrhasius 2 shared talks 13% Antigone rewritten, three alternate scenarios 2 shared talks

Every retelling 3

~1:22:00 Hegel in Athens: what would Hegel have said about our predicament?2015-12-04 · 2:01:07

At Saas-Fee, Avital Ronell praised Nietzsche for betraying Wagner as the authentic lesson of a pupil; Badiou immediately asked 'Your master is Derrida, where did you break with him?' She was caught speechless, and Sam Weber's defence ('Derrida is already self-critical so we don't need to') made things worse., illustrating dogmatism vs. strategic hedging,authentic critique vs. discipleship

34:44 The Interaction with the Other in Hegel2009 · 2:07:30

Avital Ronell gave a talk arguing that Nietzsche's greatness was betraying his master Wagner; Badiou destroyed it with one question: 'Where is your betrayal of Derrida?' A deconstructionist desperately replied that Derrida betrays himself constantly., illustrating master-disciple relation,Hegelian comedy,the impossibility of a neutral metalanguage

33:49 Slavoj Žižek — On G.W.F. Hegel, Lecture 3 [Remaster]2009-08 · 2:42:02

Avital Ronell praises Nietzsche for betraying his master Wagner; Badiou ruins the moment by asking where she betrayed her master Derrida, exposing the 'dualism' of her anti-dualism., illustrating no metalanguage,concrete universality