Film Noir Femme Fatale
example · film: Film Noir ·
retold in 3 talks
A noir protagonist is ruined by an evil woman but refuses to go back in time, insisting the catastrophe was 'worth every moment,' illustrating the desire to suffer.
≤2000talks it is told in, per year2026
As told 3
“Even if I know that it's a catastrophe—this is the true noir spirit, you know—even if I know that it's a catastrophe, it was worth it.”
“'No, it was worth. Even if I were to know that it will end in ruin, it was it was worth doing it.' This idea of it's a catastrophe but I'm ready to do it again.”
“it’s a kind of ontological cheating... we secretly impute to the victims there... you see, they will be redeemed because they know that they are observed”37:01 Slavoj Žižek Masterclass: Jacques Lacan: A Lateral Introduction. Part 4pub. 2018-11-28 · 2:10:29
What it carries
one story, many jobs: the ideas this anecdote is deployed to argue, one tally mark per use (an idea page shows the same relation from the other end, as its shelf of stories)
Its cast and sources
populated by
Saskia Sassen2Colin Farrell1Keira Knightley1Téa Leoni1Liv Tyler1Ben Affleck1Bruce Willis1Anakin Skywalker1
alongside works
Every retelling 3
A noir protagonist is ruined by an evil woman but refuses to go back in time, insisting the catastrophe was 'worth every moment,' illustrating the desire to suffer., illustrating desire to suffer,ethics of the fall
The classic noir scene where a man ruined by a femme fatale, when asked if he regrets it, says 'it was worth it, I would do it again', illustrating that the death drive means we want to suffer, against Buddhism's optimism., illustrating jouissance / death drive,we want to suffer,Buddhism's false axiom
37:01 Slavoj Žižek Masterclass: Jacques Lacan: A Lateral Introduction. Part 4pub. 2018-11-28 · 2:10:29
The standard noir scene where the hero helps an enemy secretly; it is 'ontological cheating' because the spectators know, making it less desperate., illustrating ontological cheating,Big Other