Mao–Sun Yat-sen agreement on fascism for China

As told 3

“they claim that democracy would be chaos in china. but fascism is ideal because it's national unity.”
1:21:23 Our World Is Coming To An End | Aaron Bastani Meets Slavoj Žižek | Downstreampub. 2023-11-05 · 1:40:47

“their idea was because this was already the time when Mussolini was in power... they saw in fascism a certain potential of collective action.”
2:06:07 Slavoj Zizek - What are network states?2025-04 · 2:12:08

“The only thing that we can take from the West politically is fascism. We should learn to apply that kind of industrial development but covered by a strong authority.”
1:49:02 Peter Sloterdijk in conversation with Slavoj Žižek, Indigo festival 20232023 · 2:03:29

What it carries

one story, many jobs: the ideas this anecdote is deployed to argue, one tally mark per use (an idea page shows the same relation from the other end, as its shelf of stories)

contents · one story, 3 jobsuses

corporate fascism ×1 Sun Yat-sen/Mao debate ×1 capitalism with Asian values ×1

Its cast and sources

populated by

Sun Yat-sen2 Remi Adekoya1 David Choquehuanca1 Joseph Fouché1 Alex1 Lu Xun1 Bart De Wever1 Conselheiro1

alongside works

Sphären (Spheres)1 The Gay Science (Die fröhliche Wissenschaft)1 Less Than Nothing / the 1000-page book on Hegel1 Tibetans1 Old Believers1 Amish1 Wagner’s Operas (Bayreuth Staging)1 Fanta1

Told together with

18% Uganda anti-gay law and the unholy alliance 2 shared talks 8% Native Americans prefer 'Indians' 2 shared talks

Every retelling 3

1:21:23 Our World Is Coming To An End | Aaron Bastani Meets Slavoj Žižek | Downstreampub. 2023-11-05 · 1:40:47

Chinese friends showed him a suppressed conversation in which the young Mao and Sun Yat-sen agreed that democracy would be chaos in China and fascism (national unity + development) would be ideal, a suppressed root of Chinese communism., illustrating fascist capitalism,the fascist root of Chinese communism

2:06:07 Slavoj Zizek - What are network states?2025-04 · 2:12:08

Žižek recounts a story (via his friend Alex) that Sun Yat-sen and Mao debated fascism, seeing in it a 'dynamic' collective action potential superior to liberal capitalism, not because they were fascists, but because they wanted the modernizing force., illustrating Sun Yat-sen/Mao debate

1:49:02 Peter Sloterdijk in conversation with Slavoj Žižek, Indigo festival 20232023 · 2:03:29

Around 1924-25, Sun Yat-sen and the young Mao met and concluded that the only thing politically useful from the West was fascism: industrial development covered by strong authority. A school of scholars argues Deng Xiaoping softly enacted this program., illustrating China-fascism link,authoritarian modernization,ideology of development