Metzinger and cognitivists on Plato's cave
example · Hegel ·
retold in 3 talks
Žižek notes that cognitivists like Thomas Metzinger vindicate Plato's cave: the way we experience our own body is itself shadow-like, we perceive ourselves as part of the shadows. This lends scientific support to the cave allegory as a model of subjective experience.
As told 3
“plato was right, he just forgot to include ourselves, that the way we experience our body, we perceive ourselves as part of the shadows on the game.”
“The exit from the cave begins when one of the prisoners is not only freed from his chains but when he is forced out.”1:01:47 Moebius Strip, Cross Cap, Klein Bottle: The Twisted Space of Subjectivity2017-10-20 · 2:30:44
“we have to be forced to be free. You need a master. If you are left to yourself even without chains you will never get free.”
What it carries
one story, many jobs: the ideas this anecdote is deployed to argue, one tally mark per use (an idea page shows the same relation from the other end, as its shelf of stories)
contents · one story, 3 jobsuses
servitude volontaire
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the Master (Herrschaft)
×1
forced to live as if we were free
×1
Its cast and sources
populated by
Hans Blumenberg1Michael Heinrich1Catharine MacKinnon1Louis Dumont1Taylor Sheridan1Andrea Dworkin1Vera Zasulich1Georges Sorel1
alongside works
Every retelling 3
Žižek notes that cognitivists like Thomas Metzinger vindicate Plato's cave: the way we experience our own body is itself shadow-like, we perceive ourselves as part of the shadows. This lends scientific support to the cave allegory as a model of subjective experience., illustrating Plato's cave,consciousness,cognitive science
1:01:47 Moebius Strip, Cross Cap, Klein Bottle: The Twisted Space of Subjectivity2017-10-20 · 2:30:44
Following Frank Ruda, Žižek highlights the neglected detail that even unchained prisoners in Plato's cave would not leave voluntarily, they must be forced out. This requires a liberating master, and the prisoner must volunteer to be forced, creating a dialectics of master and volunteer., illustrating liberating master,servitude volontaire (voluntary servitude),ideology
Plato notes that if prisoners' chains are broken they will still spontaneously choose to remain in the cave. Žižek reads this as requiring a master-figure to force them out, and as proof that even without chains we are enslaved by our passions., illustrating forced to be free,master figure,servitude volontaire