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Turin Shroud and fundamentalist DNA

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Žižek debated fundamentalists about DNA-testing the Turin Shroud stains. They welcomed it, saying God has no DNA, it would just be Mary's DNA redoubled. They treat religious claims as simple facts within a scientific idiom, not as authentic faith.

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“God doesn't have a DNA it will be Mary's DNA redoubled...American Christian fundamentalists are not even true believers”
1:34:24 Perfil Interview2018-09-09 · 2:59:07
“the first evil idea that comes to your mind is 'Let's look at the DNA then see who really is the father'”
“the most horrible thing that you can imagine for the church is to discover that this really is Christ's shroud”
1:29:25 Are Catastrophes Virtual?2010-10-13 · 1:41:41

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1:34:24 Perfil Interview2018-09-09 · 2:59:07
Žižek debated fundamentalists about DNA-testing the Turin Shroud stains. They welcomed it, saying God has no DNA, it would just be Mary's DNA redoubled. They treat religious claims as simple facts within a scientific idiom, not as authentic faith., illustrating fundamentalism,belief without belief,ideology
Žižek argues a true Christian should be horrified at the prospect of the Turin Shroud being proven authentic, because the first thought that follows would be: let's check the DNA to find out who the father really was., illustrating belief vs. positive knowledge,fundamentalism,Christian faith as wager
1:29:25 Are Catastrophes Virtual?2010-10-13 · 1:41:41
An Italian priest friend tells Žižek that the worst thing for the Church would be to discover the Turin shroud IS Christ's, because then you'd immediately demand a DNA test to find out who Jesus's father really was. Authentic religion requires uncertainty; fundamentalists want empirical confirmation., illustrating fundamentalist belief vs authentic religion,science and religion,belief and uncertainty
A Catholic bishop confesses he prays that the Turin Shroud's blood is NOT Christ's, because DNA analysis might reveal Christ was the result of Mary sleeping with a servant, which would be worse than the mystery., illustrating religion-theology,ideology
Viennese bishops privately admitted they pray the Turin Shroud is not authentic, because its verification would be terrifying, threatening biogenetic questions about Christ's paternity. Illustrates how even believers are sustained by a minimal gap between belief and its direct realization., illustrating virtual belief,the big Other