Eisenstein vs. Tarkovsky as two torturers

As told 4

“imagine a debate between eisenstein and tarkovsky. it's like two torturers. what's the better way to squeeze out the truth?”
57:46 Badiou & Žižek - Is Lacan An Anti-Philosopher? (Complete)2010-05-28 · 2:49:38

“Eisenstein saying 'I cut him to pieces,' 'no no,' said Tarkovsky, 'it's better to stretch him a little bit.'”
~0:00 Plato’s Critique of Poetry2009-07-03 · 1:24:02

“Let me imagine Eisenstein and Tarkovsky debating as two torturers. One says cut and squeeze the testicles. The other says no, just stretch them.”
~0:00 On Violence2008-09-15 · 1:11:30

What it carries

one story, many jobs: the ideas this anecdote is deployed to argue, one tally mark per use (an idea page shows the same relation from the other end, as its shelf of stories)

contents · one story, 2 jobsuses

language as torture house ×3 sprachzerstörend violence ×2

Its cast and sources

populated by

Hassan Ngeze2 Elfriede Jelinek4 Aleksandar Tijanić2 François Balmès2 Carlos Westendorp1 Petar II Petrović-Njegoš1 Néstor Kirchner1 Wilhelm Reich2

alongside works

Kangura2 Mirror1 The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance1 The Mountain Wreath (Gorski vijenac)1 Hitler's Willing Executioners1 The Seminar on the Object of Psychoanalysis1 Logic of Fantasy (Logique du fantasme)1 From Anxiety to Encore1

Told together with

40% Jelinek, language lies, must be tortured to tell the truth 2 shared talks 22% Karadzic's permissive poem 2 shared talks 17% Bakhtin and the Stalinist Purges 2 shared talks 11% They Live / critique of ideology glasses 2 shared talks 9% Starbucks ethical consumerism 3 shared talks

Every retelling 4

57:46 Badiou & Žižek - Is Lacan An Anti-Philosopher? (Complete)2010-05-28 · 2:49:38

Žižek compares film directors Eisenstein (cutting/montage) and Tarkovsky (slow stretching) to two torturers asking 'what's the better way to squeeze out the truth?' illustrating that all art is a mode of 'torturing' language., illustrating language as torture house

~0:00 Plato’s Critique of Poetry2009-07-03 · 1:24:02

Žižek reframes the classic cinema debate: Eisenstein cuts and fragments (torture by cutting), Tarkovsky stretches with long takes (torture by the rack), both are torturers of filmic material, not opposites of violence and peace., illustrating sprachzerstörende Gewalt (language-destroying violence),language as inherently violent and stupid

~0:00 On Violence2008-09-15 · 1:11:30

Eisenstein cuts and combines (sadistic torture); Tarkovsky stretches scenes into quarter-hour sequences (the rack). Both practice violence on cinema, not passive letting-be. Žižek imagines them debating like a Latin American communist torturer vs. a KGB torturer., illustrating divine violence of language,language as torture,cinema as violence

52:40 Karl Marx and Hegel2013-03-08 · 1:37:40

Eisenstein cuts and synthetically assembles images (active torture); Tarkovsky stretches them through duration (the seven-minute shot of a tree in Sacrifice, the rack). Both are torture machines of cinema, not opposites., illustrating language as torture machine,cinema and truth